Edited/improved: v.4, August 25
This was a CBS News interview with Norah O’Donnell from July 22, 2020.
Segment on YouTube: Bill Gates Caught Off Guard When Questioned About Vaccines (Channel: John Lovell) This was part of a longer report by ‘Computing Forever’ on July 28.
Full interview: Multiple vaccine doses could be necessary to protect from coronavirus, Bill Gates says | CBSnews.com | July 23, 2020 (“First published on July 22, 2020”)
Quotes from the interview:
“If what you’re trying to do is block all the transmission, then you need to get 70-80% coverage on a global basis. So it’s unbelievably big numbers,” he said.
Gates . . . admitted that “there will be a lot of uncertainty” about the efficacy of any vaccine. . .
The Moderna vaccine, which requires two doses a month apart, will start a crucial step around July 27: A 30,000-person study to prove if the shots really are strong enough to protect against the coronavirus.
From the interview
*5:00 Gates: “…the actual number of young people who get sick is pretty modest. . .”*
But he proceeds to scare people with the idea that the young will spread the infection from teachers to the elderly at home.
[Why not just let families can take special precautions if concern is warranted based on accurate and trusted information (none coming from the government and media)? Actually my view is that parents, as much as possible, should keep their children away from damaging environments and influences, whether it is a physical school or a harmful distance learning curriculum. If they don’t know what is in the curriculum or if it is being kept from them, that’s a bad sign.]
*”. . . By Fall 2021, which is a long time from now, I think we’ll have things under control enough . . . “*
He doesn’t resolve any questions at all. He sets viewers up for a school year of anxiety and tension. I think that’s the point.
9:36 Question from a viewer: “Would you send your children to public school in this current situation?”
*Gates: “If the school is being careful, then yes. Now, if they live in a multi-generational household, you know, where you have old people that they’re exposed to, you have to look how hard would it be for you to reduce the grandparent’s exposure to those kids.*
“IF you live in a single generational household and you have a school that’s being careful . . .” then that’s OK to send them to school.
*”People will have the freedom to make choices here BUT we do need to remember it’s mostly the transmission into the older people that drives these really horrific deaths per day [the conflated causes of death]”*
He leaves it open so that parents can sweat about it. He creates a supposedly impossible conundrum, like a double bind, false choice which is completely unreasonable. Some might find a way to do the distance learning like the middle class families he referred to. Families can find a way to protect seniors from infectious illnesses. People are questioning everything about COVID-19 and there is research showing that the deaths in seniors homes in certain areas were due to COVID policies regarding seniors and changes to deaths certification.
I think that the social engineers will use this dilemma to try to make families split up–and put their elderly parents into homes–as many already do–so that Brave New World is more fully realized. They are likely to continue the same wherever they can make use of false “COVID” logic. Every human being becomes a problem for everyone else. Everyone stays away from everyone. Isn’t that the logic of the quarantine/isolation policies? In the novel Brave New World, the children don’t have parents or families. The seniors are put in special centers for the dying.
I say that also because WHO declared back in March that they want to be able to take supposedly infected people (who tested positive or whatever excuse) out of homes/families and isolate them. People have been going along with quarantine measures because they have believed in all of this, so some of this has been happening already in effect.
But we need to challenge the whole story and reject all of this. It has already been too much.
Just before 12 minutes, “let’s get compliance levels up” (dictatorship talk) about mask-wearing. He talks about it as if it was the only subject people were concerned about relating to freedoms.
I don’t believe for a second that Europeans have a higher “compliance level”. They might have better mortality rates than many Americans do for various reasons. We know also that the U.S. pays money to hospitals to designate the deaths as “COVID-19.” He is claiming that all these European countries are “good” because they are so “compliant” but there are millions of both Europeans and Americans who reject this face-mask lockdown dictatorship.
The vaccine trials
12 minutes: O’Donnell: “What do you make of the results from both Astra-Zeneca and Moderna?”
*12:15 Gates: “. . . We don’t know if these vaccines will work. We don’t know if they’ll work to avoid deaths. We don’t know if they’ll work to avoid transmission. That’s why we’re working on so many first generation vaccines and a whole bunch of second-generation vaccines, that although they’ll take more time, they are more likely to be extremely effective. “*
He implies we won’t even get the real thing until the second generation vaccines.
12:30 An image of the different vaccine developers: “COVID-19 Vaccines currently in Phase III”
1. AstraZeneca / University of Oxford
2. Sinopharm / Wuhan Institute of Biological Products Co. Ltd.
3. Murdoch Children’s Research Institute
*12:40 Gates: “It’s great the US government has been willing to fund vaccine manufacturers. Our foundation is partnered with them on that. That’s something in my regular phone calls with Dr. Facuci we update each other on, how we work with various companies . . . “*
Public private partnership. He doesn’t hesitate to talk matter of factly about his role in running an aspect of government without being elected. It’s like he is appointed but it probably wasn’t by the government. He has a similar position as Henry Kissinger or Zbigniew Brzezinski in a sense. Bill Gates explains how he is on the phone with Dr. Fauci (the Gates Foundation funds the CDC), how he works with the vaccine companies, and they work out what to do with them.
Is that legitimate? Is he elected?
Do people realize vaccine manufacturers have been shielded from liability for decades also?
Then he says the “advanced therapeutics” will come first but then in the first half of 2021 “we’re going to get some good vaccine tools.”
13:30 O’Donnell mentions Operation Warp Speed (this is in July) for four of the vaccines moving into “Phase III”.
O’Donnell: “. .. How do we know if these vaccines are working?”
*Gates: “. . . You’d like it to be very safe in all the populations that you indicated for, no side effects, you’d like it to block transmission, and you’d like it to avoid the individual who gets the vaccine getting sick.”*
[A vaccine with “no side effects”? Do you think one exists?]
*”The Phase 3 end point is slightly different than those things so that we can accumulate events quickly . . . And even calling it Warp Speed is scary because it suggests that you are willing to make trade-offs against safety which you should never be willing to do.”*
*[Does anybody get the impression that we SHOULD be concerned about safety. Here is Bill Gates expressing concern about safety! So who says “vaccines are safe”?!]*
*14:45: Gates: “The FDA is being pressured to allow what’s called just a correlate(?) approval. Fortunately they’ve held the line on that to this point because we wouldn’t know enough just based on antibody levels. . . .”*
*15:05 Tates: “There will be a lot of uncertainty about how good these vaccines are–the first generation–they said a ‘50% effectiveness’. . . . So these are going to be likely partial solutions that will improve over time. So it’s too bad people think that just that phase 3 approval will be the end of the epidemic.”*
*15:40 O’Donnell: “. . . The side effects for the Moderna vaccine sound concerning. We looked. After the second dose, at least 80 percent of participants experienced a systemic side effect ranging from severe chills to fevers. So, are these vaccines safe?”*
*16:00Gates: “Well, the FDA, not being pressured, will look hard at that. . . The FDA is the gold standard of regulators. And their current guidance on this, if they stick with that, is very, very appropriate, and the side effects were not super severe, that is, it didn’t cause permanent health problems for . . . “*
*16:55 O’Donnell: “You know the data better than I do. But the, Bill, Bill, the data showed that everybody with a high dose had a side effect.”*
*Gates: “Yeah, but some of that is not dramatic where you know it’s just, you know, super painful, but yes, we need to make sure there’s not severe side effects. The FDA I think will do a good job of that despite the pressure.“*
*17:25 O’Donnell: “How many doses of the vaccine will we need?”*
*Gates: “Well, none of the vaccines at this point appear like they’ll work with a single dose. That was the hope at the very beginning. . . . We hope just two, although in the elderly, sometimes it takes more, and so making sure we have lots of elderly people in the trial will give us that data.”*
[Notice the focus on the elderly.]
O’Donnell: “You’ve said some more than 7 billion doses . . .”
Gates: “If what you’re trying to do is block all the transmission, then you need to get 70-80% coverage on a global basis. So it’s unbelievably big numbers.”
*18:10 O’Donnell: I mean you’re talking about a global vaccination program without a vaccine that hasn’t been fully developed yet and a massive scaling up of how to produce one or several vaccines. I mean, it’s mind-boggling to think about this effort.”*
[Yes, it’s an amazing sales job]
Gates: “. . .the private companies have stepped up. .the US unds biological research more than any other country. . We’ve stepped up to fund these manufacturers. . . . I mean in 2021 there’s a good chance this can get done. . . .”
“to avoid all those deaths”
*19:55 O’Donnell: “. . .Today we learned Pfizer is going to get nearly 2 billion, Moderna receiving 438 million dollars in taxpayer money. And yet both companies have said they will not sell the vaccine at cost. They’re going to make a profit on it. Should pharmaceutical companies profit off this vaccine research that taxpayers have helped fund?”*
20:35 Gates: “. . .You’d want to balance . . who’s taking the risk and who gets the benefit. . . .It’s fantastic that the research is being funded. . . .”
*21:10 O’Donnell: “We heard from the HHS Secretary say today that the vaccine will be free for Americans or affordable so that means the government will help purchase it from companies that are making a profit off of it that we helped fund the research for. Do you see any problem with that?”*
. .. [Gates gives an answer]
Censorship and Anti-Vaccination Media
Then at 22:30 O’Donnell praises vaccines as “saving” people based on what? [not knowing about the paralysis caused by the polio vaccine I assume]. And she starts attacking anti-vaccine media. Until this year (or the last few years), it didn’t seem like it was the job of journalists to call for censorship. What a bizarre world we live in all of a sudden.
She refers to “disinformation.”
*25:30 O’Donnell: “. . . Does Facebook have a responsibility to do more in terms of shutting down this misinformation?”*
*Gates: “Yeh, well, they are willing to get rid of anti-vaccination messages that are false there. So there’s a constant dialogue about, OK, how do they make sure that these completely false things don’t get out there. You don’t want to suppress normal dialogue about safety studies, but the conspiracy theories they are starting to step up on and we feel that we have a good dialogue with them about how to do that.”*
Gates claims not to know where the tracking conspiracy theory allegation comes from. But the two of them are just using a straw man to shift away from focusing on more directly provable concerns that people have based on verifiable news reports and documents. People who look into all the bizarre products funded by the Gates Foundation are considered conspiracy theorists.
O’Donnell complains about a video and how she called Facebook to snitch on them and get an allegedly false message censored, whatever it was. Suddenly journalists are supposed to censor everyone.
Gates acknowledges that you don’t want to suppress discussion about safety. I think there has been a total lack of information about vaccine safety in mainstream media forever and this has only improved partially with the Internet. People need to read the product inserts and the lists of adverse reactions and listen to the experiences they refuse to listen to. I’m hoping that people are starting to do that now. Again, the companies were shielded from liability. Why do they want to make vaccines if they can’t actually guarantee there are no adverse reactions (that the public isn’t informed about until they experience them), so they insist on liability protection? What’s the agenda? Read Bertrand Russell, read Arthur Koestler, read Jonas Salk.
He uses a straw man to deflect from what the facts are–which is his funding for vaccine development, his funding of the CDC and the WHO, his funding of failed and tragic vaccine trials in the third world, the contents–the entire contents of his infamous 2010 Ted Talk (about how there are too many people and we need to reduce carbon, the more people the more carbon: “Reducing to Zero”). We’re not supposed to look at the patents or the products he has been funding for “development” and release of his GMO mosquitoes. And how dare anyone mention his alliance with the World Economic Forum to stage the pandemic drill scenario in 2019 called “Event 201” (which featured censorship). Should we censor the information about the billionaires meeting in 2009 where the others celebrated his presentation on overpopulation?
Do population policies happen in reality? Yes, they do. There have been scandals over coercive mass sterilization all over the world for a long time.
Also, during COVID, elderly people die in homes when they should have been allowed to go to hospital or stay in hospital! Is that a conspiracy? Who benefits from health care rationing?
And the euthanasia policies have been pushed–and advanced very far in Canada just a few years ago. And some US states have brought in infanticide or late-term abortion policies.
Ten years ago there were calls for one-child policies. Constantly there are celebrity naturalists and British royals calling for reducing population.
We have been living with this intention for a long time and there are things we don’t even notice now such as the family planning procedures funded by our health care systems.
*26:30 O’Donnell: “. . . testing crisis [?!] . . . Where are we in terms of a rapid diagnostic test? You’ve talked about this a lot. It would be a test that’s like an in-home pregnancy test. Where are those tests?”*
*Gates: “In the next 2 to 4 months, some of those tests will get approved. Now, they won’t be as accurate as the PCR [not accurate either] which is a molecular test. Now over the next few months we need to up PCR capacity. We need to get results back in 24 hours. We need both and the lag times we have today are completely unacceptable It’s making most of our tests pretty much worthless.”*
Listen to the dictatorial language. “completely unacceptable”! The premier of Ontario said the same thing early on. It makes people blush in shame, that’s the technique. Don’t you know you people should be out there testing!? Not working of course, or gardening or going to the beach or living a normal life. You should be sticking swabs up peoples’ noses because “we need more numbers.” “We’re building our dictatorship here, why aren’t you people moving things along, come on!”
O’Donnell: “You’ve written that this is like a world war, that it’s us against the virus . . .”
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These topics below are covered in other posts.
I doubt O’Donnell’s comment about hospitalizations in certain places being pushed to the brink in July when she is talking. However, people have been neglected and it’s not clear how many people might be suffering from hunger and malnutrition and lack of medical treatment because of COVID hospital policies. We know that in many places, Canada certainly, most hospitals were half empty. In some jurisdictions, the same policies that cut regular surgeries and treatments pushed seniors out of hospitals and kept them in care homes, contributing to a spike in deaths through infection and neglect.
The scare-mongering about deaths has to do with their strategy of conflating all sorts of deaths with COVID as the cause of death. This is a result of their policies, e.g. the WHO death certificate policy. There are large numbers of people dying of respiratory illnesses every year.
The information about “cases” has to do with their continuing to test as often as possible with completely unreliable tests giving a huge percentage of false positives–people who are mostly aren’t even sick. And there are doubts about what they’re testing for is even confirmed to be a virus–so the tests are possibly meaningless altogether.
There is a lot of politicization in this interview to distract people. This is what Trump seems to be used for (who doesn’t seem to do anything to stop this)–as a foil in order to divide people into camps. They are trying to justify their extreme isolation and economic shutdown measures using emotional manipulation and political divisiveness.