Joe Atwill, Fritz Heede, and Nijole Sparkis, titled “A Round Table Discussion on Caesar’s Messiah, and more” – #152
www.gnosticmedia.com | September 27, 2012
This subject may not be of interest to everyone as it has to do with questioning the origin of Christianity. In any case, to me it’s not about saying there isn’t any truth in Christianity or religion. Years ago, I gave up on the idea that the Bible was the Word of God for various reasons that were obvious to me – how Moses behaved for example. It’s just important for me and others to be aware of what it’s really all about and to evaluate the evidence presented.
This is a very interesting discussion on Atwill’s ideas about the origin of the gospels. The motivation is basically to do with military purposes and pacifying the population. The theme is the skillful use of religion by governments in order to maintain control. Also touched on is how Christianity is used in modern times to promote war. And also how New Age-related movements are used to promote pacification by mushing up peoples’ minds and denying them critical thinking skills. Jan Irvin has argued that Gordon Wasson was promoting the use of psychedelics for elite purposes. Just as Christianity was used to produce a new type of Roman rule in the Dark Ages, is it possible that a new Dark Age is being created through New Age gurus connected with Aldous Huxley and the Esalen Institute?
There is a connection made between the use of opium against China and the Huxley family. Is that a coincidence that Aldous Huxley wrote “The Doors of Perception” (hence the rock band “The Doors”) and promoted the idea of a dictatorship using drugs in his book “Brave New World” and in his public talks?
Jan Irvin and Joe Atwill review Huxley’s letter to Orwell, and the sinister nature of the letter becomes very distinct. It becomes clear that he’s close to the ideas and the people promoting them:
“…May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals — the ultimate revolution? The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual’s psychology and physiology — are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf. The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it. Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful. My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World. I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesmer, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.
“Partly because of the prevailing materialism and partly because of prevailing respectability, nineteenth-century philosophers and men of science were not willing to investigate the odder facts of psychology for practical men, such as politicians, soldiers and policemen, to apply in the field of government. Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations. Another lucky accident was Freud’s inability to hypnotize successfully and his consequent disparagement of hypnotism. This delayed the general application of hypnotism to psychiatry for at least forty years. But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.
“Within the next generation I believe that the world’s rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency…”