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1985: G. Edward Griffin interview with KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov

G. Edward Griffin Interview Of Yuri Bezmenov by nationalisteautonom1

Yuri Bezmenov escaped to the West in 1970. Here is my summary, paraphrasing:

The main emphasis of the KGB is not in covert intelligence.  It is an overt and slow process of ideological subversion or ‘active measures’ or psychological warfare, to change the perception of reality of every American … so that no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their family, their community or country.

4 basic stages:

1) Demoralization: 15-20 years to demoralize a nation. This is the minimum time to educate one generation of students, to expose them to Marxist-Leninist ideology. But he says it was pumped into their “soft heads” for at least 3 generations.

They compiled a huge amount of info on those who influenced public opinion and divided them into two groups. Those who would tow the line of Soviet foreign policy would be promoted. The others who refused would be character-assassinated or physically executed.  He mentioned some countries were dissenters were executed.

These included idealists who believed in Marxist-Leninism.

He refers to “useful idiots”, who become disillusioned and who would likely become political enemies.

The main targets for infiltration were conservative media, also to target people who lacked moral principles, and those who were self-important.

“Useful idiots” or idealists [note: we’re like that when we’re young] are only useful for the destabilization phase, and instrumental only to that point.  When their job is completed, they are not needed any longer. They know too much. They become disillusioned and would be disappointed when they actually saw who comes to power.

Continuing, he says that even if you started right now (1980’s) in educating children in the opposite ideology, it would take you 15-20 years to turn the tide of ideological perception of reality back to normalcy and patriotism.

The result is the generation that is currently in power, they are “contaminated”, they’re programmed in their way of thinking. You can’t change their minds.  Their basic logic of viewing the world and their behavior is set.  The process of demoralization is complete and irreversible for them.

When they see in the future what their ‘equal’ society is really about, they will revolt. They will dissent. But he says in a Soviet system, there would be no place for dissent, and they would be squashed like cockroaches.

He says that the demoralization process for the last 25 years is complete in America (back then in 1985).  The Soviets could not even have imagined how successful it would be, he says.  Most of it is done by Americans to Americans.  Because of the lack of moral standards.   The demoralized person is unable to assess true information.  You can shower him with documents, facts and pictures, but he will refuse to believe it until he is kicked in his “fat bottom” by troops.

2) The next stage is destabilization.  2-5 years.  Economy, foreign relations, defence systems. 

3) Next stage is crisis.  3-6 weeks.

4) After the crisis, there is a period of “normalization” (cynical phrase), which may last indefinitely.  He portrayed Mondale in that role. Normalization means when the tanks roll in. 

In other words, this is when people allow the schmucks in power to bring the country to crisis, to destabilize the economy, eliminate the free market, and put Big Brother in power in Washington, promise loads of free stuff, and present the false illusion that things are under control.

He says that most American politicians, media and the education system train the new generation to think they are living in peace time.  But there is really an undeclared war on the foundations of their system by a Communist world conspiracy.

Literally there are just several years left he says (back in 1985).  And then there would be nowhere to defect to. All the freedoms strived for will evaporate.

(End of summary)

My comments:

Things didn’t work out exactly the way he put it, but I don’t think it’s far off.

I know that most people out there think that Communism was “defeated” when the Berlin Wall came down. It’s true there was some relief for people but basically this false perception can be attributed to the controlled media and distorted history, government suppression of historical incidents (“classified”/”declassified”), and government/Foundation-controlled education.

Wall Street supported totalitarian regimes, as documented in Antony C. Sutton’s books, since the 1920’s.

Also, according to the Reece Committee, left-wing movements had been funded by the Wall Street foundations which had systematically prepared the American system for a planned merger with the Soviet system.

As explained in Sutton’s books, the same people who created Bolshevism also experimented with Hitler’s and Mussolini’s systems. At the top, they’re motivated by monopolistic and elitist drives. In their ideal system, the elites will be enjoying themselves just fine, and the rest will be slaving down below, doing exactly what they’re told. “Some animals are more equal than others”, as Orwell said in “Animal Farm“. All utopias on offer are like that.

I know there are arguments out there that it is impossible for socialist or communist societies to survive, so therefore the Berlin Wall collapsing was the end of Communism. But free market systems had already been completely undermined from within, by a globalist collectivist Establishment. I think the purpose of communist nations was rapid industrialization and political modernization of temporary Communist nation-states. The stage after that is the merging of nations in global “trading” pacts, and then into a world government. If systems are not allowed to be independent, they are just standardized and there is no competition. Thousands of years of slavery and collectivism and feudalism show that elites profit from dominating everyone else.

It seems clear to me that the U.S. government was or is divided into two Marxist factions, the original pro-Soviet faction, and then later also the Trotskyite anti-Russian anti-Stalinist faction, the neo-conservative movement in other words. So there was some kind of deliberate period of militarization under Reagan and also a time of superficial conservatism where people were given a little space to breath while the government grew much larger and technology became more advanced.

In my opinion, Brzezinski anticipated this phase in his 1970 book “Between Two Ages” when he describes more conservative segments of society. As Carter’s National Security Advisor, Brzezinski, obviously from his writings a type of Marxist like many other American officials, and critical of the USSR, was also involved in initiating the toppling of the Soviet regime by supporting the Mujahadeen (see video especially).

It was several years after this interview that the Berlin Wall came down and Bush Sr. announced the New World Order. He didn’t praise the virtues of freedoms and property rights. Bush talked about the promise and vision of the UN founders (Communists like Alger Hiss, socialists, world federalists, collectivists of all stripes).

The United Nations Wall Street agents went to work on Kyoto and Agenda 21, signed in 1992. Clinton and Bush Jr. continued Reagan’s police state “drug war” and attacking freedoms. The Oklahoma City bombing “happened” and 9/11 “happened”, and Bush started eliminating more freedoms and rights with huge staged terror events as the excuse. And the phase of countless wars of domination began for so-called “Democracy” (imposing the globalist Marxist Central Banking system) with all the lying propaganda, torture, and airport security degradation.

Another important event is the continuing establishment and strengthening of the European Union, a pre-cursor to world government.

So all the collectivist totalitarian subversion of rights and values from the American and Western elites has been successful so far except for growing awareness among many in the public. This ideology pre-existed the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany and it has outlived them both.

So it looks like we’re still waiting for the final stage mentioned by Bezmenov, which would be more staged crises and then troops on the streets, and the complete elimination of freedoms. All the “demoralized” stooges out there will go along with everything they’re told unless more people wake up.

By the way, here is an example of two wealthy elitist Americans spanning generations of Communist subversion:

Al Gore and Armand Hammer (Stalin’s picture in the background in the first image). Al Gore has pushed international “trade” agreements and “climate change” taxing agendas, which are both Marxist policies despite what people imagine, but so are a lot of other policies pushed by Western leaders over the last 100 years and more.

On the “right-wing” (or whatever), we have bosom buddies Thatcher and Gorbachev.

Related discussion about the subversion of the U.S. education system: Charlotte Iserbyt.