Should Omar Khadr be allowed to return to Canada?
www.cbc.ca – April 18, 2012
“…Khadr has been in custody in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since October 2002. He was captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan earlier that year — at the age of 15….”
“… Ottawa confirmed Wednesday that it has received Khadr’s completed application for transfer to Canada. But Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government has been in no hurry to approve the request….”
First of all, just to talk about the CBC website, there are two polls about this “issue” (as if law and justice is just a matter of opinion that we debate) with opposite readings, possibly because the first poll was frozen earlier on.
They need to make it seem like the majority of Canadians approve of their new “tools” for abusing prisoners and taking rights away from everyone – such as due process, and the right to proper trials, and the right to not be detained indefinitely, and many other things related to their “war on terrorism” that they want to keep perpetrating.
You see, the truth is a lot of these people running detention camps and overseeing the torture and abuse of human beings – they’re the ones who should be locked up.
This whole incident is a test, about how well Canadians have accepted the official 9/11 story (pack of lies), about how ignorant people are about who bin Laden really was and what Al Qaeda really is, and the kind of (innocent) people that were mostly rounded up in Afghanistan.
There is also no unity in Canada, no social cohesion obviously. I mean multiculturalism is obviously a failure. Many refuse to stand up for the rights of their fellow Canadian citizens, especially if they’re from a different culture.
And they also believe the lying mercenary media, most of them.
It’s all a long-term test. Omar Khadr is the symbol and the test.
Just like people watched their Canadian “hero” Kiefer Sutherland in “24” torture human beings in a fictional setting. Through watching the bizarre totalitarian cowardly treatment of prisoners in places like Gitmo, they have been trained into a future of endless torture, tasering and beating.
So half the population has had the empathy and mercy trained out of them, with movies, video games and TV, and stupid pro-war, pro-police state politics.
Conveniently, we have the stupid left-right paradigm to divide us mindlessly between a fake left and a fake right, as if the Conservatives are so different from the Liberals.
I’m sorry to break the bad news to you, but it’s a disgrace that Canada didn’t bring their citizen back from Guantanamo like some other countries did.
Sorry, it’s a national shame. It’s a betrayal of sovereignty and rights, by our government, a betrayal of all of us actually, everyone who will suffer under the boot of the global police state we allow.
It’s all a test.
We get to be: numb, dumb and brutal – and loving to be abused.
The elites noticed how people reacted to the G20 brutality also, with the clever provocateur stunt and the arrest and abuse of the innocent protesters who didn’t like the secret world government meeting which cost abused Canadian taxpayers a billion dollars.
A lot of you, maybe most of you, have failed the test, and the New World Order notices. So they know what they can get away with from now on. Look at the austerity measures in Europe. Do you like hearing the word “austerity” all the time now?
And if you’ve read H. G. Wells, for example, or listened to the anti-human messages of both the “left” and “right” sides of the establishment, I really don’t think it will be only Muslims who suffer in the future.
Hopefully one of the online polls is not reflective of reality, and it’s not true that it’s a majority of Canadians.
So this is the poll that seems to have an official announcement and conclusion:
Power & Politics’ Ballot Box question
by Evan Solomon Posted: April 18, 2012 4:19 PM Last Updated: April 19, 2012 5:02 PM
We asked: Should Omar Khadr be allowed to finish his sentence in Canada?
Here are the results:
Not sure: 1%
(Note: This survey is not scientific. Results are based on readers’ responses.)
I would guess the above poll was frozen on April 19?
Should Omar Khadr be allowed to return to Canada?
Yes. 53.2% (3,944 votes)
No. 43.52% (3,226 votes)
I don’t know. 2.12% (157 votes)
Other (please specify in the comment field below). 1.16% (86 votes)
Total Votes: 7,413
(This survey is not scientific. Results are based on readers’ responses.)
Should Omar Khadr be allowed to return to Canada?
Yes. 52.7% (3,675 votes)
No. 43.93% (3,063 votes)
I don’t know. 2.19% (153 votes)
Other (please specify in the comment field below). 1.18% (82 votes)
Total Votes: 6,973
It looks like this poll has been shifting towards the Yes side. Or else it was a totally different question and page, and different groups went to different pages.
So, in any case, it looks like the first poll was hit early and hard by pro-torture, anti-habeas corpus pro-New World Order political mercenaries who love to see people abused. And they managed to do that before it was frozen to make some people think everyone is insane as they are.
The sane feel intimidated, so the intimidation works.
A real bunch of “winners” support abuse, torture and indefinite detention without any kind of real trial. They know where their bread is buttered. Losers and cowards. Are you going for the 12-yr olds next or the 8-yr olds?
Some earlier posts:
Guantanamo’s Child: The Untold Story of Omar Khadr provides a balanced and clarifying account of the background, capture and detention of Canadian citizen Omar Khadr.
Toronto Star, June 4, 2008
“Conservatives reject call to bring detainee home”
CBC, June 23, 2008
Governments fail – probably by their nature – to adequately provide a long list of services, including a sound financial system, security, peace, justice, freedom, truth, etc.
Specifically in this case, the Canadian government fails every day to provide proper justice and protection for all Canadian citizens, by leaving Omar Khadr to face American make-believe “justice” in Guantanamo.
“Justice” and “citizenship” therefore become empty promises.
The principles of justice and due process should apply to everyone. The government should bring Khadr back to Canada in the same way the British and Australian governments have brought their citizens back from U.S. detention. If it drops the ball when it really matters for some, it will do the same for others.
But many Canadians would prefer seeing the abuse continue rather than admitting there is something fundamentally wrong with the Canadian government and especially their heroes in the U.S. government who created this evil called Guantanamo.
It’s not clear whether 15-year old Khadr actually threw the grenade that killed Sgt. Christopher Speer. Sgt. Speer was in combat as a Special Forces soldier, not apparently functioning as a doctor as some want to believe. The crucial point is that if someone fights back against soldiers – someone who survives a massive bombardment – is it a crime all of a sudden? I don’t think so. This is insane “post-9/11” Orwellian thinking. Whenever I hear this idea, I don’t blame the family, but for everybody else who adopts it, I just consider it madness.
And then there is the guilt by association. Since Omar Khadr’s father was involved with Osama bin Laden, therefore the child is supposedly guilty by association! Blame the children for the sins of the fathers?? Again, totally insane “post-9/11” totalitarian new-think.
Many would rather trust the U.S. government for some reason. But if the U.S. government was directly involved with Osama bin Laden in the 1980’s (at least), we should think the U.S. government is innocent? And we should believe their stories? If bin Laden family members were allowed to leave the U.S. after 9/11, that’s ok?
Treat individuals with decency? Too much effort! “Innocent until proven guilty”? Too much effort! Treat him as a prisoner of war at least? Too much effort. It’s just too much effort to wake up to where the real problem lies – in our compliant attitudes towards government.
The attitude is to identify with the powerful and persecute the weak and beaten. It’s not enough that this teenager had massive holes in his chest and was blind in one eye after the bombardment and firefight. We have to make up new concepts of “justice”. None of this “eye for an eye” anymore, that’s not enough in their minds. No, people want to make him suffer his whole life – for being and doing whatever – without even having a real trial. That’s easier than holding governments accountable.
According to this type of thinking, killing is ok when it’s done by soldiers, but nobody is allowed to fight back without being sent to a U.S.-created hell as a punishment. “Resistance is futile” and that’s the message many powerless beaten-down tax-paying Canadians believe as they shamefully rant and rave at the very idea that Omar Khadr should be brought back to Canada.
The Canadian government isn’t doing what it is supposed to do.
November 16th, 2008
Omar Khadr’s Canadian Interrogation at Guantánamo
Andy Worthington, 16th July 2008
August 10th, 2008
Comment from reader:
Omar Kadr was 15 years old at the time of his capture, he should be returned to Canada to receive a fair trial. He is born in Canada and should therefore be returned to Canada (his country of birth)and it is his birth right to expect help from the Canadian Government in bringing him back and getting rehabilitated so that he can assimiliate into the society. He should be tried in Canada taking into full account his age when the alleged offences were committed, unless if the US agrees to give him a fair trial. Any information obtained through torture should not be used against him. Anyone being tortured is going to say whatever the abuser want to hear in order to stop the torture.
Video of Omar Khadr released. The Canadian government and people allowed this Canadian boy to be mistreated in a foreign dungeon for 6 years. Canadians all knew his name, and we knew what was happening and we knew it wasn’t him who was guilty of all the evil in the world. He was the scapegoat. No trial. No justice. Just torture and isolation. And Harper wants to keep it going longer. That’s right. Make the kid suffer some more. Keep trashing our reputation as a compassionate and peaceful nation.
Here (http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/07/15/jonathan-kay-free-omar-khadr.aspx) is a thorough explanation by a war supporter(!) at the National Post(!) of why it’s wrong to let the U.S. keep detaining Omar Khadr.
July 16th, 2008